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Old 12-19-2007, 02:57 PM
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OK i don't know if this will make much sense ( I know good way to start a post!)

I heard that using hidden text with images and corresponding with CSS is considered like spam in Google searches. I know many people like to put their key words or phrases in the alt tags of images. However, is this true or does anyone have a better way to "SEO" their images on websites?
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It's not considered spam by Google in small doses if you are simply replacing text in the HTML with an image. This is standard practice and is used heavily across the web.

There are loads of different ways to achieve this. Here's some examples of different techniques ... http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revis...e-replacement/

The standard route is simply to give a block element a background image and place text inside that block element within a tag (usually a span) which is set to display:none. The disadvantage of this method though, is that your visitors won't be able to see the text until the images have fully loaded or won't be able to see them at all if they have their browser set not to download images. This may or may not be a problem depending on what you are trying to do. Here's an example of this technique in action:

Code:
<h1><span>Image Replacement</span></h1>
Then in your CSS you would have:
Code:
h1 {
	background:url('imagereplacement.png');
	width:400px;
	height:100px;
	}
h1 span {
	display:none;
	}
I would be cautious of replacing whole blocks of text though, as that may set of alarm bells with search engines. Headings, menus and other small pieces of text shouldn't be a big deal though.
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I would be cautious of replacing whole blocks of text though, as that may set of alarm bells with search engines. Headings, menus and other small pieces of text shouldn't be a big deal though.
Is there a better way to optimize your site--especially --say for myself - a portfolio or where you want to optimize your work (images or even flash) on the web?
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What type of content are you trying to optimise?

If it's large amounts of text, then the only way to do that is probably sIFR. But I wouldn't recommend it, as it will make you pages load way too slowly.
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What type of content are you trying to optimise?
Trying to optimize a design website (art, graphics, logos, etc. ) I have never done it before--hence why I may ask vague questions.

Just trying to find the best method of doing this.
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The easiest way for us to help is probably for you to post a link to what you've done so far. Then we can rip through it and give you a critique of the SEO side of your site if you would like.
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The easiest way for us to help is probably for you to post a link to what you've done so far. Then we can rip through it and give you a critique of the SEO side of your site if you would like.
Ok--Currently I am re-doing my site thats why I was asking to handle it before I go live, but as soon as I get close I'll give everyone a peek to critique. I was looking for pointers to make my site more SEO friendly. Thanks!
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Image replacement as Ryan described is perfectly legitimate. I'd go as far as to say that it's fine even for large chunks of text - the worst that will happen is a flag will go up for a Google employee to manually check the site, and they will see that it's legitimate image replacement, and you won't be penalised. Matt Cutts' said as much on his blog, and he's as good a source as we've got really!
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